My 1 Sided 2nd Amendment Argument With Piers Morgan via Twitter

I don’t like being told what I should do by a European. Or by anyone else. Those people ofcourse are not limited to Europeans. Their leftist, goodwill based idiocy runs the gamut, but all have one thing in common… They want Utopia.
Our Founding Fathers used the preceding 2000 yrs of history as a guide to lead them to the specific reigns to put on government.

A MORAL and ARMED populace were necessary to guarantee those freedoms. Knowing that, I have one mission. To educate and refute Liberals.

Well, I have taken upon myself the task of reaching out to one of these misguided people. Piers Morgan(@piersmorgan on twitter). Piers is a Brit. He was born a Brit, raised a Brit, commited a crime as a Brit. And sees fit to lecture us as a Brit.

I’ve had some comments for him before when he took on Ben Shapiro, Ted Nugent and Dana Loesch concerning Gun Control. But on Sunday the 3rd of March 2013, I decided to unload my entire thoughts about why we (as Free Peoples) need a gun such as the Ar15 with HiCap Mags.

Here are the tweets in order:
TAReece ‏@RemyVTR15
#tcot #tlot #ccot #p2 @piersmorgan How many times does it take being destroyd n the Gun Deb8 4 u 2 start undrstanding gun RIGHTS? Pt 2 —->

TAReece ‏@RemyVTR15
#tcot #tlot #p2 #ccot @piersmorgan 1)We Americans r NOT euros 2)We CHERISH independence 3)We hve GOD Givn RIGHTS that NO man can take Pt3–>

TAReece ‏@RemyVTR15
#ccot #tlot #tcot #p2 @piersmorgan 4)Our CONSTITUTION gives us ability (& rights) 2 change our Gov’t. &2 do that, we r 2 remain ARMED pt5->

TAReece ‏@RemyVTR15
#ccot #tlot #p2 @piersmorgan 5)In our Constitution only 1RIGHT protects the others… the #2A/ W/o that right allothrs r vulnerable Pt6—>
TAReece ‏@RemyVTR15
#ccot #p2 #tcot #tlot @piersmorgan 6)We hve infringemnts 2the #2A already.manylaws on books/Like illegal transfrs(#Fastandfurious) Pt7—>

TAReece ‏@RemyVTR15
#ccot #pt2 #tcot #tlot @piersmorgan Where IS ur outcry ovr THAT? (#fastandfurious) Becuzu think .Gov has good intents? Pt8—>

TAReece ‏@RemyVTR15
#ccot #p2 #tcot #tlot @piersmorgan 8)The fact of the matter is that mental illness is a DANGER2 society. More of a danger than GUNS. pt9—>

TAReece ‏@RemyVTR15
#CCOT #P2 #TCOT #TLOT @piersmorgan There is NO reason 2rob me of my selfdefense,aganst tyranny or crime becuz o some whacko in Colo. pt9–>

TAReece ‏@RemyVTR15
#ccot #pt2 #tcot #tlot @piersmorgan Its been said that ‘proof is in the pudding’ U r bleeding viewrs. Ulose gun deb8 nightly. pt10–>

TAReece ‏@RemyVTR15
#ccot #tlot #tcot #p2 @piersmorgan therefore it is only reasonable 2 recollect ur thoughts& ur conclusions & determine via evidence…Pt11->

TAReece ‏@RemyVTR15
#p2 #ccot #tcot #tlot @piersmorgan That ur arguments r folly evn if based on good will& good intentions/The USA will nvr be quietly disarmd

TAReece ‏@RemyVTR15
#ccot #p2 #tcot #tlot @piersmorgan Nor does it need 2b. There r sick ppl in all nations/ Disrming the healthy does not fix the sick/ U Lose

TAReece ‏@RemyVTR15
#ccot #p2 #tlot #tcot @Piersmorgan U seem like a reasonable fellow. stubborn, but reasonable. Umust reconsidr stance &conclude u r wrong

TAReece ‏@RemyVTR15
#tcot #tlot #p2 Just got dun w/12part Tweet series 2 @piersmorgan &his thickheadedness abt #2A/ His ignorance o American way shows thru..Sad


As you can see, there is no REAL factual based argument for disarming honest, law abiding, morally rooted Americans. And there is scant reason to disarm the nutjobs either. When you assume someone is guilty because of their proclivities, demographics or conditions, you are judging the person before a crime is committed.
Our court system harkens back into history for guidance on how to handle crime and innocence.

The burden of proof lies on the one who brings the allegations.

In the 6th Century Roman Law they conceived the notion “Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat[1]—” Proof lies on him who asserts, not on him who denies”.

Further back, even Islamic Sharia Law places the burden onto the accuser. In Western History even the great Greeks had clashes between the poor and powerful.


Written by Aristotle himself, the Athenian Constitution [http://avalon.law.yale.edu/ancient/athe1.asp] gives a back story to the strife of those people. In the times of Pisistratus, who was a benevolent ‘tyrant’ according to Aristotle, Pisistratus disarmed his people in a deceptive way.

” He effected the disarmament of the people in the following manner. He ordered a parade in full armour in the Theseum, and began to make a speech to the people. He spoke for a short time, until the people called out that they could not hear him, whereupon he bade them come up to the entrance of the Acropolis, in order that his voice might be better heard. Then, while he continued to speak to them at great length, men whom he had appointed for the purpose collected the arms and locked them up in the chambers of the Theseum..”

Pisistratus, was temperate and mild, and Hence the tyranny of Pisistratus was often spoken of proverbially as ‘the age of gold’; for when his sons succeeded him the government became much harsher.”–Aristotle (Section 16 Athenian Constitution)

So again we see that short term comfort and benevolent tyrrany often devolves into a meaner and harsher iron fisted tyranny later, guaranteed by the disarmament of citizens.

History is rife with tyrannical gov’ts whose very existence can be traced back to a disarmed citizenry. With this in mind, one would think worldly educated people such as Piers Morgan would grasp that Freedom is best guaranteed by armed, educated citizens.

Unless they have something altogether different in mind.

Obama, Feinstein, Piers Morgan Mass Shootings Gun Control and Liberty–What Difference Does it Make??

Big title eh?

We, on the right tend to look at things, or issues, in a logical and HISTORICAL manner. The left, however, feeds off of crisis’ and emotion.

Recently, we’ve seen the left launch themselves on the gun control bandwagon, led by Diane “Dirty CCW” Feinstein, Barack “Skeet Shootin’ Obama and Piers “Carnage” Morgan. They’ve taken the issue of guns, once settled by GWB43 when he allowed the Assault Weapons Ban to expire, and rekindled the mantra “take guns off the street.”

Sandy Hook Elementary and the massacre of 20 innocent 10 year olds gave them the gusto to choose to fight this fight now. Just a month ( after Obama was handed (yes, HANDED) his second term, a mad retard of a man burst into the school and killed a total of 26 victims. His first, ofcourse, was his Mother, from whom he had stolen the weapons used later at the school. She had looked into committing him to an institution and he was upset at the prospect.

If it wasn’t SHES it would have been somewhere else. When Gabby Giffords shooting and the Aurora theater shooting did not garner the public outcry needed to circumvent the Constitution, the media made darn sure that a shooting at an elementary school would.

Dianne Feinstein, a long time anti-gun advocate (who curiously enough saw fit to gain her CCW), sponsored legislation on 23 Jan 2013, a mere 3 days after Obama’s re-inauguration. The legislation bans all types of ‘black rifles’ and their pistol cousins (those that are based on the black rifle and AK platform). It does not ban kitchen knives that currently are under a possible ban in the UK (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4581871.stm).

President Obama, who’se made a career out of not allowing a crisis to go wasted, went onto the campaign trail again to push through his new vision for a gunfree and mass killer free America. He’s feigned sorrow, even shedding tears for the victims in SHES, but he’s vigorously chomped on the basic American Right of the 2nd Amendment. He often takes people to Camp David to skeet shoot, but ignores that the 2nd has zero to do with hunting or shooting sports.

As far as the media is concerned, Bob Costas and Piers Morgan are easily two of the most infantile and egregiously repulsive anti-gun commentators. Costas took to the air on Sunday Night Football during halftime to regale the nation with his vision of events. He absorbed a huge backlash and went on FoxNews to plead his case. (http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/12/06/bob-costas-cant-shoot-straight-when-it-comes-to-guns/)

Morgan however, continues to plod along, getting the dregs of society to watch his show while he focuses endlessly on the question, “Why do Americans need an AR15?” Despite the continual answers given to him by his guests (including a Dana Loesch @dloesch), Morgan refuses to move on from the argument with any type of understanding of the issue. He just doesn’t get it.

Perhaps he’s forgot William Wallace and the resulting rising that gained momentum, as men ‘oppressed by the burden of servitude under the intolerable rule of English domination’ joined him ‘like a swarm of bees’. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/scottishhistory/independence/features_independence_wallace.shtml)

The fact remains that despite how we perceive our current place in history’s ‘civility’, there have ALWAYS been conflict between people of power and the serfs or the citizens of the day.

The 2nd Amendment is based on HISTORICAL needs and lessons learned from blood lost and lives sacrificed to garner a person’s liberty and rights that were given to him by simply being born.

A couple of things are bothering me about the way Conservatives are fighting this fight. It seems our pat answer to the Libs ‘point’ of 11000 gun deaths a yr is to point out that the vast majority of those victims were killed with handguns. This is a self-defeating point that we’d be wise not to continue to make. We need to make the point that the right to bear arms is an ANCESTREAL and historical right that prevents tyrannical despots from usurping the liberty from the governed. It protects the hierarchy of our government where the citizens are the ultimate owners of the country and elected officials work on our behest.

My Conversation with an Anti-gunner

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Max Jones
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My perfectly reasonable post in favor of gun control was buried because the gun brigade doesn’t actually tolerate objections. If your argument can’t be countered with the some inane reference to the 2nd amendment… they will bury you.

Todd Reece 1 vote by Max Jones
Max, it’s amazing how foolish people are today. Do you think this generation is the first ever? When people are banned and disarmed Tyranny follows. Its the NATURAL course of events.

I am surprised you think the ‘gun brigade’ buries your post. Perhaps you need to rethink your stance if you are being outweighed by a significant number. Reflect on common sense and not utopia.

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Max Jones
Max Jones
I don’t know what generation you think I belong to. But look around the world. There is not tyranny by the government where there is gun control. Its not a natural end to gun control. Its just not.

But what I will say is that the history of no gun control in our country has lead to the highest rate of gun violence in 1st world and much of the 3rd world. In fact the only tyranny going on is the tyranny of the gun lobby and gun owners.

I know that a full 70% of Americans support gun control.

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Todd Reece
Todd Reece
Wow? Really, 70%? The same 70% that have been dumbed down and been educated in ever so great public school system that we are so proud of?
“There is not tyranny where there is gun control???”
I wonder if the Libyans or now the Syrian rebels would beg to differ with you about their so gracious and benevolent dictators Assad and Gaddify…
Tyranny takes many forms friend…
Webster dict. (also a great patriot)
Definition of TYRANNY
1
: oppressive power ; especially : oppressive power exerted by government

Taxes fits into this….

2
a : a government in which absolute power is vested in a single ruler; especially : one characteristic of an ancient Greek city-state

b : the office, authority, and administration of a tyrant

One class, one party rule…communism

3
: a rigorous condition imposed by some outside agency or force

Hmmmm outlawing and banning items…

4
: an oppressive, harsh, or unjust act : a tyrannical act

Taking my beanie babies away..

And ‘history of no gun control’

holy moses.

There are ‘gun free zones’ EVERYWHERE.. DC, Chicago, NYC…There have been gun control laws in this country… and they’ve failed every time.

And where is gun crime most prevalent?
Yep.

“Tyranny of the gunowners and lobby…”

Wow…. read the definition again.

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Max Jones
Max Jones
I know exactly what tyranny means. But we can pick one of yours.

: a rigorous condition imposed by some outside agency or force

We live with threats of violence from gun owners who claim the constitution guarantees them the right to attempt to over throw the U.S. government. Very few of them belong to well regulated militias.

My world and my kids world is more dangerous because you have this strange belief that more ability to commit violence creates less violence.

You pick the percentage. Its well over 50% in any of them.

Look. I know guns. I know them well. You aren’t a better American than I am because you believe in more guns. Here is what I can guarantee you. If all guns were gone we’d have less violent society. That is not in question. You can’t shoot at me and I won’t be shot.

Your statistics are skewed or just wrong.

I don’t think we have anything in common unless you are a weapons expert. You don’t sound like one.

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Todd Reece
Todd Reece
“My world and my kids world is more dangerous because you have this strange belief that more ability to commit violence creates less violence.”

My ability to PROTECT myself makes my kids safer.

” Look. I know guns. I know them well. You aren’t a better American than I am because you believe in more guns. Here is what I can guarantee you. If all guns were gone we’d have less violent society. That is not in question. You can’t shoot at me and I won’t be shot.”

Good for you. But we aren’t talking about Utopia are we? No…We’re talking reality.

“I don’t think we have anything in common unless you are a weapons expert. You don’t sound like one.”
Guess your wrong again… least your consistent.

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Max Jones
Max Jones
*shakes head* this is all going to lead to no good. The police are going to come get your guns someday and it will be your fault.

out

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Todd Reece
Todd Reece
It IS coming to no good Max. Where do you draw the line with Freedom? What is good enough for you to give up on… can you ask me to suffer that?

All you have to do is see what’s happened at the airports. They hardly have well trained staff with the TSA and they commit personal offenses in the name of safety on 3 yo and grandmothers…
Tactically I KNOW that makes some sense. No matter what you believe friend, I am far more experienced than you care to acknowledge..
Back to the point… The TSA bungled up this airport screening based on 19 hijackers causing 3000 deaths.
They were given a mandate and they implemented it.Granny and lil’ sis are subjected to invasive searches… the only ones exempt are the power brokers in DC, etc.

Funny about that. Imagine… them passing laws or regs they don’t have to follow…

My fault my ass.

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Max Jones
Max Jones
Dude… Twin Towers were attacked 9-11-2001

TSA formed… 11-19-2001

That is the calibre of all the information you spew.

If you haven’t seen this… when we read what you guys write… it sounds like Alex Jones. I’m serious.


The biggest threat to PM is AJ. That is how it feels when we try to talk about this. Our biggest threat is you. You are willing to act on completely bogus information.

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Todd Reece
Todd Reece
So lump me in with ol’ AJ eh? That was pretty scary to see. I believe he has his opinions, I can’t judge him other than to say he was emotional, and that did not serve him well in that forum.

I am trying to reason with you from a point of sense.. .when 9/11 happened is irrelevant. The facts are the freedoms that WERE present before 9-11-01 are gone.

I used to walk my wife all the way through the terminal and walk her to the gate.
I used to take pictures of planes on approach.The airport we’re close to had a road that passed right by the approach. Used to watch them forever…It was such a popular little turn off the county graded and graveled the turn off. I used to take pictures of buildings and architecture…
I used to run through the mall when I was young dodging and spinning in amongst the crowd…(that actually helped in my football career)
There used to be tobacco smokers every where.. Now the gov’t is wondering where all the tobacco tax money going to come from??
Now that there are more Hybrids people aren’t paying gas tax…. so we gotta tax the hybrids more…
And I’m not EVEN going to say much about the temporary income tax passed to pay for WW1…
Once Gov’t starts its intrusion, it continues until the people say enough. And then they just wait til the anger subsides to continue the march towards ‘utopia.’

Max, I don’t know how to convey my feelings about this issue and the path the country is on. I mean I want you to believe that I am serious, caring, scared, and determined. I am profoundly in love with my country and her liberty. That liberty demands my understanding of the opposition and their tenets.

But it is a reciprocal responsibility. It HAS to be reciprocal. As you said my ‘more guns’ doesn’t make me more American.

Be well.

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