My 1 Sided 2nd Amendment Argument With Piers Morgan via Twitter

I don’t like being told what I should do by a European. Or by anyone else. Those people ofcourse are not limited to Europeans. Their leftist, goodwill based idiocy runs the gamut, but all have one thing in common… They want Utopia.
Our Founding Fathers used the preceding 2000 yrs of history as a guide to lead them to the specific reigns to put on government.

A MORAL and ARMED populace were necessary to guarantee those freedoms. Knowing that, I have one mission. To educate and refute Liberals.

Well, I have taken upon myself the task of reaching out to one of these misguided people. Piers Morgan(@piersmorgan on twitter). Piers is a Brit. He was born a Brit, raised a Brit, commited a crime as a Brit. And sees fit to lecture us as a Brit.

I’ve had some comments for him before when he took on Ben Shapiro, Ted Nugent and Dana Loesch concerning Gun Control. But on Sunday the 3rd of March 2013, I decided to unload my entire thoughts about why we (as Free Peoples) need a gun such as the Ar15 with HiCap Mags.

Here are the tweets in order:
TAReece ‏@RemyVTR15
#tcot #tlot #ccot #p2 @piersmorgan How many times does it take being destroyd n the Gun Deb8 4 u 2 start undrstanding gun RIGHTS? Pt 2 —->

TAReece ‏@RemyVTR15
#tcot #tlot #p2 #ccot @piersmorgan 1)We Americans r NOT euros 2)We CHERISH independence 3)We hve GOD Givn RIGHTS that NO man can take Pt3–>

TAReece ‏@RemyVTR15
#ccot #tlot #tcot #p2 @piersmorgan 4)Our CONSTITUTION gives us ability (& rights) 2 change our Gov’t. &2 do that, we r 2 remain ARMED pt5->

TAReece ‏@RemyVTR15
#ccot #tlot #p2 @piersmorgan 5)In our Constitution only 1RIGHT protects the others… the #2A/ W/o that right allothrs r vulnerable Pt6—>
TAReece ‏@RemyVTR15
#ccot #p2 #tcot #tlot @piersmorgan 6)We hve infringemnts 2the #2A already.manylaws on books/Like illegal transfrs(#Fastandfurious) Pt7—>

TAReece ‏@RemyVTR15
#ccot #pt2 #tcot #tlot @piersmorgan Where IS ur outcry ovr THAT? (#fastandfurious) Becuzu think .Gov has good intents? Pt8—>

TAReece ‏@RemyVTR15
#ccot #p2 #tcot #tlot @piersmorgan 8)The fact of the matter is that mental illness is a DANGER2 society. More of a danger than GUNS. pt9—>

TAReece ‏@RemyVTR15
#CCOT #P2 #TCOT #TLOT @piersmorgan There is NO reason 2rob me of my selfdefense,aganst tyranny or crime becuz o some whacko in Colo. pt9–>

TAReece ‏@RemyVTR15
#ccot #pt2 #tcot #tlot @piersmorgan Its been said that ‘proof is in the pudding’ U r bleeding viewrs. Ulose gun deb8 nightly. pt10–>

TAReece ‏@RemyVTR15
#ccot #tlot #tcot #p2 @piersmorgan therefore it is only reasonable 2 recollect ur thoughts& ur conclusions & determine via evidence…Pt11->

TAReece ‏@RemyVTR15
#p2 #ccot #tcot #tlot @piersmorgan That ur arguments r folly evn if based on good will& good intentions/The USA will nvr be quietly disarmd

TAReece ‏@RemyVTR15
#ccot #p2 #tcot #tlot @piersmorgan Nor does it need 2b. There r sick ppl in all nations/ Disrming the healthy does not fix the sick/ U Lose

TAReece ‏@RemyVTR15
#ccot #p2 #tlot #tcot @Piersmorgan U seem like a reasonable fellow. stubborn, but reasonable. Umust reconsidr stance &conclude u r wrong

TAReece ‏@RemyVTR15
#tcot #tlot #p2 Just got dun w/12part Tweet series 2 @piersmorgan &his thickheadedness abt #2A/ His ignorance o American way shows thru..Sad


As you can see, there is no REAL factual based argument for disarming honest, law abiding, morally rooted Americans. And there is scant reason to disarm the nutjobs either. When you assume someone is guilty because of their proclivities, demographics or conditions, you are judging the person before a crime is committed.
Our court system harkens back into history for guidance on how to handle crime and innocence.

The burden of proof lies on the one who brings the allegations.

In the 6th Century Roman Law they conceived the notion “Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat[1]—” Proof lies on him who asserts, not on him who denies”.

Further back, even Islamic Sharia Law places the burden onto the accuser. In Western History even the great Greeks had clashes between the poor and powerful.


Written by Aristotle himself, the Athenian Constitution [http://avalon.law.yale.edu/ancient/athe1.asp] gives a back story to the strife of those people. In the times of Pisistratus, who was a benevolent ‘tyrant’ according to Aristotle, Pisistratus disarmed his people in a deceptive way.

” He effected the disarmament of the people in the following manner. He ordered a parade in full armour in the Theseum, and began to make a speech to the people. He spoke for a short time, until the people called out that they could not hear him, whereupon he bade them come up to the entrance of the Acropolis, in order that his voice might be better heard. Then, while he continued to speak to them at great length, men whom he had appointed for the purpose collected the arms and locked them up in the chambers of the Theseum..”

Pisistratus, was temperate and mild, and Hence the tyranny of Pisistratus was often spoken of proverbially as ‘the age of gold’; for when his sons succeeded him the government became much harsher.”–Aristotle (Section 16 Athenian Constitution)

So again we see that short term comfort and benevolent tyrrany often devolves into a meaner and harsher iron fisted tyranny later, guaranteed by the disarmament of citizens.

History is rife with tyrannical gov’ts whose very existence can be traced back to a disarmed citizenry. With this in mind, one would think worldly educated people such as Piers Morgan would grasp that Freedom is best guaranteed by armed, educated citizens.

Unless they have something altogether different in mind.

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My Letter to Richard Burr About Gun Control

Dear Hon. Senator Burr,
   I have supported you since your first run for office. I believe in every step you have made since becoming a Congressman. You are well grounded and articulate. I believe you exude the qualities that exemplify the best that the State of North Carolina offers.
   It is in that light that I ask you, no… beg you to withstand the surge of anti-gun sentiment that is echoing through the chambers of the Congress.
   The 2nd Amendment is not about hunting. It is not about muskets. It is not about recreational shooting. It is about protecting every other right God has bestowed upon us.
  These semi-autos that are being vilified are not the problem.
   I will close this letter with again the deepest sense of gratitude for you service and your continued dedication to the people of the State of North Carolina, Her State Constitution, and the People of the Republic of the United States and Their Constitution, the most perfect human experiment He has ever created.

My Conversation with an Anti-gunner

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Max Jones
2 votes by Brian Browne Walker and Tupper Cole
My perfectly reasonable post in favor of gun control was buried because the gun brigade doesn’t actually tolerate objections. If your argument can’t be countered with the some inane reference to the 2nd amendment… they will bury you.

Todd Reece 1 vote by Max Jones
Max, it’s amazing how foolish people are today. Do you think this generation is the first ever? When people are banned and disarmed Tyranny follows. Its the NATURAL course of events.

I am surprised you think the ‘gun brigade’ buries your post. Perhaps you need to rethink your stance if you are being outweighed by a significant number. Reflect on common sense and not utopia.

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Max Jones
Max Jones
I don’t know what generation you think I belong to. But look around the world. There is not tyranny by the government where there is gun control. Its not a natural end to gun control. Its just not.

But what I will say is that the history of no gun control in our country has lead to the highest rate of gun violence in 1st world and much of the 3rd world. In fact the only tyranny going on is the tyranny of the gun lobby and gun owners.

I know that a full 70% of Americans support gun control.

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Todd Reece
Todd Reece
Wow? Really, 70%? The same 70% that have been dumbed down and been educated in ever so great public school system that we are so proud of?
“There is not tyranny where there is gun control???”
I wonder if the Libyans or now the Syrian rebels would beg to differ with you about their so gracious and benevolent dictators Assad and Gaddify…
Tyranny takes many forms friend…
Webster dict. (also a great patriot)
Definition of TYRANNY
1
: oppressive power ; especially : oppressive power exerted by government

Taxes fits into this….

2
a : a government in which absolute power is vested in a single ruler; especially : one characteristic of an ancient Greek city-state

b : the office, authority, and administration of a tyrant

One class, one party rule…communism

3
: a rigorous condition imposed by some outside agency or force

Hmmmm outlawing and banning items…

4
: an oppressive, harsh, or unjust act : a tyrannical act

Taking my beanie babies away..

And ‘history of no gun control’

holy moses.

There are ‘gun free zones’ EVERYWHERE.. DC, Chicago, NYC…There have been gun control laws in this country… and they’ve failed every time.

And where is gun crime most prevalent?
Yep.

“Tyranny of the gunowners and lobby…”

Wow…. read the definition again.

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Max Jones
Max Jones
I know exactly what tyranny means. But we can pick one of yours.

: a rigorous condition imposed by some outside agency or force

We live with threats of violence from gun owners who claim the constitution guarantees them the right to attempt to over throw the U.S. government. Very few of them belong to well regulated militias.

My world and my kids world is more dangerous because you have this strange belief that more ability to commit violence creates less violence.

You pick the percentage. Its well over 50% in any of them.

Look. I know guns. I know them well. You aren’t a better American than I am because you believe in more guns. Here is what I can guarantee you. If all guns were gone we’d have less violent society. That is not in question. You can’t shoot at me and I won’t be shot.

Your statistics are skewed or just wrong.

I don’t think we have anything in common unless you are a weapons expert. You don’t sound like one.

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Todd Reece
Todd Reece
“My world and my kids world is more dangerous because you have this strange belief that more ability to commit violence creates less violence.”

My ability to PROTECT myself makes my kids safer.

” Look. I know guns. I know them well. You aren’t a better American than I am because you believe in more guns. Here is what I can guarantee you. If all guns were gone we’d have less violent society. That is not in question. You can’t shoot at me and I won’t be shot.”

Good for you. But we aren’t talking about Utopia are we? No…We’re talking reality.

“I don’t think we have anything in common unless you are a weapons expert. You don’t sound like one.”
Guess your wrong again… least your consistent.

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Max Jones
Max Jones
*shakes head* this is all going to lead to no good. The police are going to come get your guns someday and it will be your fault.

out

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Todd Reece
Todd Reece
It IS coming to no good Max. Where do you draw the line with Freedom? What is good enough for you to give up on… can you ask me to suffer that?

All you have to do is see what’s happened at the airports. They hardly have well trained staff with the TSA and they commit personal offenses in the name of safety on 3 yo and grandmothers…
Tactically I KNOW that makes some sense. No matter what you believe friend, I am far more experienced than you care to acknowledge..
Back to the point… The TSA bungled up this airport screening based on 19 hijackers causing 3000 deaths.
They were given a mandate and they implemented it.Granny and lil’ sis are subjected to invasive searches… the only ones exempt are the power brokers in DC, etc.

Funny about that. Imagine… them passing laws or regs they don’t have to follow…

My fault my ass.

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Max Jones
Max Jones
Dude… Twin Towers were attacked 9-11-2001

TSA formed… 11-19-2001

That is the calibre of all the information you spew.

If you haven’t seen this… when we read what you guys write… it sounds like Alex Jones. I’m serious.


The biggest threat to PM is AJ. That is how it feels when we try to talk about this. Our biggest threat is you. You are willing to act on completely bogus information.

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Todd Reece
Todd Reece
So lump me in with ol’ AJ eh? That was pretty scary to see. I believe he has his opinions, I can’t judge him other than to say he was emotional, and that did not serve him well in that forum.

I am trying to reason with you from a point of sense.. .when 9/11 happened is irrelevant. The facts are the freedoms that WERE present before 9-11-01 are gone.

I used to walk my wife all the way through the terminal and walk her to the gate.
I used to take pictures of planes on approach.The airport we’re close to had a road that passed right by the approach. Used to watch them forever…It was such a popular little turn off the county graded and graveled the turn off. I used to take pictures of buildings and architecture…
I used to run through the mall when I was young dodging and spinning in amongst the crowd…(that actually helped in my football career)
There used to be tobacco smokers every where.. Now the gov’t is wondering where all the tobacco tax money going to come from??
Now that there are more Hybrids people aren’t paying gas tax…. so we gotta tax the hybrids more…
And I’m not EVEN going to say much about the temporary income tax passed to pay for WW1…
Once Gov’t starts its intrusion, it continues until the people say enough. And then they just wait til the anger subsides to continue the march towards ‘utopia.’

Max, I don’t know how to convey my feelings about this issue and the path the country is on. I mean I want you to believe that I am serious, caring, scared, and determined. I am profoundly in love with my country and her liberty. That liberty demands my understanding of the opposition and their tenets.

But it is a reciprocal responsibility. It HAS to be reciprocal. As you said my ‘more guns’ doesn’t make me more American.

Be well.

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Into the New Year…. 2013 A Year of Challenge

There are so many issues that are encroaching onto this nation as we head into 2013.

Hurricane Sandy, Fiscal Cliff, Sandy Hook, all brought to fore a realization of various weaknesses that are plaguing the USA. 

I, personally, am still unemployed, going on 3 months now,so I have a few issues to deal with as well.

But I am only an individual. The nation is in peril, as the biggest conflagration is not the economy or entitlements, but “Gun Control”. Sandy Hook Elementary saw 20 innocent 10yr old kids slaughtered, along with 6 adults and the killer. 27 souls were sent to the afterlife by the insanely idiotic murderer. 

Some people think that the best answer is to attack the weapon that is the scourge of incidents such as this. Some people think there are 3.75 MILLION assault weapons here in the US. These same people articulate the position that the it would be smart for the country to “buy back” these evil black guns (hell we can charge the makers as racist thus these crimes are hate crimes and…..). What they DON’T ‘articulate’ is that besides the BILLIONS it would cost to execute the policy, the sheer ANGER from the passage of a law of this type would cause untold anarchy in the streets and in DC proper.

 Liberals have this mental ability to IGNORE the consequences of their proposed actions. The examples would fill up this blog for months.

  In every example, unintended consequences run amok and the result is more and more cash to improve the condition. Instead of thinking the policy through, they see the emotional solution and discount logic.

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Banning guns has never worked in any society it has been tried. Australia, the UK, others have seen their gun crime rise… Which is hard to consider since each is an ISLAND nation.  The OTHER possible eventuality are the nations where it worked TOO well and in most instances fatal to it’s citizens. Germany, USSR, Cuba, China, etc. each proved that confiscated weapons and disarmed citizens were paths to totalitarian rule and mass graves.

 

SOURCES:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/crime/2012/12/20/assault_rifle_stats_how_many_assault_rifles_are_there_in_america.html